Episcopal Café has an article Does the Church of Uganda really have no position?
Evidence continues to accumulate that the Church of Uganda supports the anti-homosexuals bill before parliament.
And the article proceeds to give chapter and verse in some detail.
Meanwhile, Ecumenical News International reports Anglican church warns on homosexuality
[Bishop] Onono-Onweng in his interview with ENI said he did not wish to comment on the draft law until he had more time to study it…
UGANDA: Anglican church warns on homosexuality Could you even imagine a Church whose bishops have less insight into themselves and the world around them? This is stranger than fiction. The Anglican Church of Uganda is warning TEC not to consent to the election of Mary Glasspool as suffragan bishop of Los Angeles. After all, in Uganda, the Church advocates imprisoning or killing her. Truly amazing! “We [in the Global South] will not be able to walk with the Americans,” No s***, Sherlock! We in the Episcopal North will not be able to walk with the Church of Uganda either. And… Read more »
More time to study it? WHY?
How much study does it take to say – killing people is wrong and locking people up for life is wrong?
The Church of Uganda bishops are playing games with people’s lives. It makes me sick.
This evidence – of the Anglican Church of Uganda’s intransigence on the episcopal election processes of TEC – points to the impossibility of others of us forming any ‘Covenant’ relationship with such a prospective ‘Partner’. This indicates, beyond dispute, the foolishness of trying to negotiate any further the prospects of a corporate relationship between the Global South Partners and the rest of the Communion based on the covenantal model. This outright rejection of the polity of any one of the partners by another must surely indicate the uselessness of further negotiation between GAFCON and LAMBETH. The blatent rejection of any… Read more »
Is this the writing on the wall for the Anglican Communion?
“And this is the writing that was inscribed: MENE, MENE, TEKEL, and PARSIN. This is the interpretation of the matter: MENE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end; TEKEL, you have been weighed on the scales and found wanting; PERES, your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.”
Daniel 5:25-28
The tit for tat anger of the Global South vs Global North is leading us nowhere. Its clear in the words of one GS primate we are no longer one. We seem to reading from different bibles. “Until, and unless, the Global South Provinces become more attuned to the needs of minorities within their own jurisdictions, there will be little hope of continuence of a working missionary partnership with other Provinces that seek to work for justice and peace. “ The GS will say the same actually they have been saying it. Unless the TEC repents there’s no communion what… Read more »
“The GS will say the same actually they have been saying it. Unless the TEC repents there’s no communion what so ever with them & others of the like.”
Christianity, the religion of war and prison, the spiritual cop for the established order and its owners.
Taser those fags for Jesus!
Gosh, “I didn’t have time to study it”. Pontius Pilate could have taken lessons from this man!
I’m getting more and more lost in this conversation. What does “in Communion” actually mean in practice? What is happening now that will stop happening once some churches are no longer “in Communion” with each other? What does this threat of no longer being “in Communion” actually mean for the day to day life of the national churches involved, for their mission and for their international aid programmes? We share preciously little with the church of Uganda, whether we’re officially in Communion with them or not. And on a purely personal level, I’d feel a lot happier if I was… Read more »
Out of the long, bitter struggle over the Colenso Affair came the Lambeth Quadrilateral, and a decision to define the terms of membership in the Anglican Communion in the broadest and most generous terms possible. This long, bitter struggle will have a similar conclusion. If “being in Communion with” means “agreeing on issues of doctrine and discipline,” then, no, there is no chance of holding the Communion together. If it can come to mean something else, something more generous in spirit, then there will still be an Anglican Communion, but it will not be the kind of centralized organization that… Read more »
“Kitakule was speaking after a meeting of about 200 Roman Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox, Seventh Day Adventist and Muslim leaders in Kampala on Dec. 9.” Isn’t inter-faith dialogue grand? All those religious leaders, having a meal together and conversing with each other. It warms the heart. Finding common ground — in their despisal of GLBT folk. Oops. The Anglican Church of Uganda demands that others respect its culture and policies — while at the same time attempting to tell TEC what to do and interfering with TEC’s culture and policies. “Death to gay people!” is not something I can ever recall… Read more »
“I believe that the future Anglican Communion may be expanded and enriched in all sorts of ways, through the participation of our Lutheran brothers and sisters in the US, Canada, and Continental Europe, for example.” – Charlotte – I’m inclined to agree with Charlotte here. In all of the recent brouhaha, we seem to have lost the original defining tenet of Anglicanism – based on the founding principles of Scripture, Tradition and REASON. In trying to over-emphasise the influence of a fundementalist reading of the Scriptures, some of the partners have given up on the precious character of REASON. Tradition,… Read more »
Neither Uganda so far, nor Rowan Williams so far is able to stand firmly and clearly for global big tent Anglicanism. More and more often, each pursues narrow self-interests while rarely trying to cover up by paying smooth, glib lip service to such founding notions after the fact as ‘communion’ and ‘human rights.’ Not one appears to have taken even the Chicago Lambeth Quad seriously as our common grounds. I am less and less interested in having to answer the holier than thou claims of either Rowan Williams or Uganda; they say outright that they have no idea of the… Read more »
USA National Public Radio does interviews in Uganda with local folks … including some surfacing of the USA religious rightwing connections (financial, other) that are helping cue us to the USA Dominionist theology that heightens all of this antigay stuff to new violent levels, mainly by preaching flat earth ideas illuminated by dirt and danger narratives. See NPR at: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121485018&ft=1&f=1004 Closer to home, the canny similarities are also showing in the Catholic Charities plan to stop providing services because contracts with Washington DC for social services would require the church agency to offer health insurance to legally recognized same sex… Read more »
30 min Interview with Rowan Williams by the great Simon Mayo on 5Live yesterday.
Mentions Uganda and his approach to the bill.
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/fivelive/mayo/mayo_20091216-1552a.mp3
Kennedy
“Mentions”?