Anon ViaMedia.News Recognising Grooming: Revisiting the David Tudor Case
Stephen Parsons Surviving Church Grooming Adults. Is it Possible?
Gavin Drake Church Abuse Safeguarding: Second Church Estates Commissioner holds Church of England feet to the fire
[This refers to oral questions in the House of Commons to the Second Church Estates Commissioner; the Hansard record is here, and there is a video of the session on YouTube.]
Hmm. It’s hardly “holding their feet to the fire”, more gently shining a torch from the other side of the room in the hope that they notice. “Holding their feet to the fire” would be a no-knock search warrant of Lambeth Palace to look for documentation of conspiracy to conceal crime, or an interview under caution for the archbishops of York and Canterbury to discuss conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.
The CofE is being given licence to conceal crime without consequences. Nothing in the second commissioner’s answers alters that.
Where’s the prima facie evidence that either of those actions would be proportionate and legal? Without it they would look very much like State persecution of the Church, wouldn’t they?
The CofE was established by the State. How could the State persecute its own creation?
I hear your white hot anger and I totally share it. “Holding their feet to the fire” is necessary but it is not by itself going to address the causes of abuse. There is too little love in the Church of England. Too little kindness and very little empathy. The growing realisation that far too many priests simply don’t care for their flock has been personally devastating. What can we make of clergy who simply don’t practice what they preach ? How did we end up with two Archbishops with so little empathy ? We certainly need firefighting and consequences… Read more »
Interested Observer. Let’s hope that this happens as both Cantuar and York on the allegations published and the timelines could fit the bill for a myriad of charges to. Be bought forward subject to the prosecutions section of the Home Office to consider enough evidence exists for formal charges to be laid after interview in my reading of the documentary evidence and timelines. In police slang “a hamburger with the lot “ The Australian experience has been that charges against the Catholic AB of Adelaide of conspiracy to conceal crime resulted in guilty verdicts but were appealed. Likewise similar charges… Read more »
David Tudor would not have had employment rights unless he was employed directly by the school he was the chaplain of. His parochial duties would always have been as an office holder. Whatever his status he was throughout subject to ecclesiastical discipline. The Archbishop of York has not given a satisfactory explanation of why he twice renewed his appointment as area dean and why he made a known paedophile an honorary canon of his cathedral. Today’s news indicates that far from being at a loss as to what to do with Tudor he held him up as an exemplar of… Read more »
Every single revelation about the David Tudor case just makes it worse. Obviously the latest claims about ++York praising a man he knew was a risk and had had inappropriate relations with young girls let alone was the abuser we know now is utterly shocking and really highlights the fact that the Archbishop’s version of events is shaky at best.
Once we get a new person on the throne of St Augustine Cottrell needs to stand down.
Stephen Parsons makes a lot of sense. I would consider myself reasonably robust, but early days at my Cambridge college were quite daunting, academically and socially. Taken to a ‘little talk’ by Jonathan Fletcher, what was on offer was attractive, and becoming a member of the college christian union meant a whole new group of friends.
Nothing in itself wrong with any of that, my christian union group were reasonably sensible – but I can, looking back, see possible danger signs.
I think adults become mature by the age of 25? Some of us never mature, thank goodness.